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Kellye, the true crime enthusiast, and Kyler, her willing partner, delve into intriguing cases from Central & Northeastern Louisiana.
From small-town cases to nationally known crimes, they bring you stories that hit close to home, always with that Louisiana connection.
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Unmasking Terror - The John B. Simonis Case
Prepare yourself for a bone-chilling journey into the life and crimes of John Barry Simonis, better known as the Ski Mask Rapist. This episode promises to take you on an investigative ride, tracing his path of terror from Florida to California, and shedding light on the frighteningly meticulous methods he utilized as a predator. We delve into the darkest corners of Simonis’ psyche, revealing a narcissistic personality that, ironically, led to his capture. Discover how he exploited his job as a Cardiac Technician to prey on his victims further.
We also recognize the pivotal roles played by both the law enforcement and the trailblazing work of Ann Burgess, a women's rights champion. Her exemplary contributions in the field of trauma healing and collaboration with the FBI led to the creation of criminal profiling tools, which are instrumental in solving cases like these till date. This episode is a tribute to the relentless pursuit of justice, shedding light not only on the horrifying acts of the Ski Mask Rapist but also the resilience of his victims and their fight for justice.
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Source Material:
- A Killer by Design - Ann Wolbert Burgess & Steven Matthew Constantine Chapter 8 - Beneath the Mask
- https://the-immoralist.livejournal.com/559449.html
- https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/128619/Chilling-mind-of-a-predator
- https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/12/18/Ski-mask-rapist-sane-pleads-guilty-to-eight-charges/8755377499600/
- https://www.upi.com/amp/Archives/1981/12/23/The-mother-of-ski-mask-rapist-Jon-B-Simonis/7837377931600/
- https://www.nytimes.com/1981/12/04/us/around-the-nation-ski-mask-rapist-suspect-said-to-admit-77-crimes.html
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Starting in November 1978, law enforcement agencies all over the country started getting reports of robberies and theft, which intensified in number and violence over the next three years. It took the FBI Behavioral Science Unit to ultimately create a profile that would lead officers to finally track down and arrest this ski-mass rapist. Step inside with us into the mind of a serial rapist and barring his arrest likely future murderer. On today's episode of CINLAW. Hello and welcome to this episode of CINLAW. I'm Kelly and I'm Kyler and he's finally back. Guys, it took a while. It took a while. It did, it did. No, it took everybody.
Kellye:I mean, like you were on the bonus episode but a full episode, sure, only like three people listening to the bonus episode. Anyway, I'm on Four, oh four, I'm sorry, four, geez, all right, guys, it's been a minute. It's late at night, so keep your fingers crossed and hope I don't have to edit the ever-loving everything out of this after we get done. If you guys didn't listen to the bonus episode, I would actually recommend doing that now because all of the housekeeping and stuff that normally comes before a podcast I put it in a separate episode because I just I love you guys that much and I'm also a podcast listener, so I get frustrated when I have to skip through 15 minutes of intro. But you know that's neither here nor there. So are you ready? You're not ready, you're not ready, all right, so this one's gonna be a little bit different than any of other episodes.
Kellye:I can't really give you guys a centralized locale because, as you heard in the intro, this guy was all over the map for three years, and the reason that we're able to cover him on our podcast specifically is he is actually from Gina, right here, you know, a little bit north of us from right now, and we've actually talked about Gina a little bit before in LaSalle, tullus, I think it was. Dias and St Sure, yeah, the double homicide where they left him in the pond, I think it was. Yeah, I don't remember what episode that was, but anyway.
Kyler :So I don't remember. I know that we've used um the city island and it was at the same one that they come from, Gina Mm-mm, Because he came from North.
Kellye:He was at Winsborough.
Kyler :Yeah, that's right.
Kellye:And they went down to Homa and I think he was in the middle of something. No, no, no, he was here. Anyway, it doesn't matter Either way, that was the point of the story is that this man Was originally from Louisiana.
Kellye:So, and his is, some of his cases were actually some of his. Um, you know what are that? What are they for? Assaults? Yeah, that one. Some of those were in Louisiana as well there were. But when I say there was cases all over the place, we're going from Florida all the way to California along the southern coast. Um, and I say he was from Gina, I think that's the last place or that's where his parents lived when he actually was arrested. Southern coast, along the southern coast. What did I say?
Kyler :You said southern coast.
Kellye:Yeah, all along the southern coast. Southern coast is Mexico and a.
Kyler :Gulf, oh my.
Kellye:God, okay, whatever, louisiana, texas, they both border the Gulf and then all the way to California along the southern goal. A southern border. It's all over California, okay, right.
Kyler :So he was. I've just never heard the term the southern coast, it just it, it it was. It struck me as odd, sorry.
Kellye:So intro ski mask rapist. His name is John Barry Simonus and that may or may not sound familiar. The ski mask rapist almost all anybody in true crime have has heard that before, and it may or may not have been this one, specifically because there are actually a couple that they called the ski mask rapist yeah.
Kellye:More than one. This one, this one's, this one's famous for um, well, because it lasted three years and because you'll, as you'll see in the in the details here, he was all over the place and that three years long, yeah, um, but also, as I said in the intro, the FBI behavioral science unit, um, or actually I think it's the behavioral analysis unit now, so it's the BAU, um, anyway, they, that sounds correct, right? I'm not entirely sure, we'll get into it a lot more later, but this was one of their first group of interviews that they used to actually start that unit. That's cool, yeah, because that's how they began. The behavioral analysis unit was because they used these people who would volunteer. I mean, they were already doing live sentences.
Kellye:They weren't going to get anything out of it, but if they were willing to talk, as most serial killers slash, serial rapist offenders, they're very narcissistic, so they love to tell their story, they love to brag about what they've done. Sure, I'll tell you what I'm going to say Exactly. So you, you mean, you're going to sit down and listen to what I think, right? Well, because it is one of those things they get off on it especially especially for people who get away with it for a long time.
Kellye:They they get that kind of validation after the fact. Yeah, so this guy, his family, was living in Jeanne, I think, at the time of his arrest in Jeanne. He was originally from Lake Charles, so he was down there and he committed numerous crimes all over the state of Louisiana. So and that was well. This was actually a list of the people who were involved in the listener recommendation. My mother gets her hair cut in Gina and Miss Lenora actually told her about this case when my mom was telling Miss Lenora about our podcast.
Kellye:So I had never heard of it. I did not realize he was from Louisiana. I mean, I say I haven't heard of it. I absolutely had heard of it, but I hadn't gone into the nitty gritty of his specifics and once I did get into it I was blown away. It was one of those things. Like it made my entire, like my eyes started crossing after a while just because of all the things. So, anyway, I actually ended up because I needed to know more specifics.
Kellye:I actually bought a book. Now this book was called a killer by design and it was a wonderful resource for this case and I'm going to reference it all the way through the whole entire podcast. So if I say the book that I got that's the one is a killer by design by Anne Burgess, and she is an official bad bitch. Okay, leaps and bounds ahead of her time in the field of specifically sexual criminal behavior and at the point that she was a prominent figure, it was predominantly an area for men, dominated by men. So not only is she an author, not only is she a bad bitch, not only was she the basis for the inspiration behind the character, for the Netflix's mindhunter character, dr Wendy Carr. Oh yeah, oh yeah. She was Absolutely yes, yes. So she also is, 100% of the time person, for most a victim's advocate. So she helped the FBI develop the criminal profiling tools to like I was talking about a minute ago for the behavioral analysis unit and all of the bad bitch things that she did with them. But her life's work has focused on developing ways to assess and treat trauma and rape victims. So she's actually a professor currently at William F Connell School of Nursing at Boston College. So I mean just all across the board bad bitch like, insanely intelligent and glass ceiling shattering. So all right. So in the novel.
Kellye:According to Anne, samonas was an all state Louisiana high school quarterback. He had served in the army from 1973 to 1977. He had a full scale IQ of a 128 and he maintained an athletic build. He had an abusive upbringing and it was believed that he had actually witnessed his father committing sexual acts on his sister and he clearly had a deep anger toward women from childhood because his assaults his assaults and an assault weren't his type, myrotics weren't his type, as well as myrrh intended to degrade, demean and humiliate his victims. So he was what Anne actually called a quote vindictive, rapist, unquote, and at around age 15 he began his peeping tomfays. That continued until he started actually breaking into the people's house into which he was peeping. By about age 24, simone is to join the Army in Westation in London where he began flashing women at random, repeatedly, just running out flashing his bare nude front and then, you know, enjoying the thoughts of doing that full frontal. Yes.
Kyler :I mean, I had assumed that he like closed and would. That's slightly impressive actually that he would completely naked.
Kellye:But anyway. So he did that for a period of three to four years and then when he got back to the States I mean like he never got in trouble while he was over there, apparently, according to Miss Anne's novel. Now, when he got back to the States he started working as a cardiologist specialist or a lab tech and he had, I think, one arrest in 1978 and that was for making indecent phone calls and that was in like Charles Louisiana. Hmm, yeah, so that was the only arrest up until that point and his first assault actually occurred in November of 1978. And according to his interview that he did with two of the information gatherers it was a big interview that they did.
Kellye:It was, I think it was over three or four hours long, and that was an interview, if you're looking forward, and I'll have it in the show notes, but it's the interview with Roy Hazelwood and Ken Lanning at Angola State Penitentiary and he told them that his first assault in November of 78 actually started out as a burglary and when he confronted the woman he'd followed home from a store earlier that day, he took her money and then he decided to bind her hands and then he attempted to sexually assault her but wasn't able to get an erection because of his nervousness. Now, over the next three years, from 78 to 81, he would, by his own admission, commit between 45 and 50 rapes. Actual assaults, sexual assaults, probably would get a little higher and this is a direct quote anywhere between 60 and 75. And that was until he was arrested in November of 1981. So he kept a very timeline straight Now.
Kyler :How short of a time has been.
Kellye:Three years, okay, and in the novel by Anne she just yeah, yeah, and to have not for it to have taken as long as it did for him to get caught. But there's reasons, so let's get this, aren't there always, yeah, so the way that Miss Anne actually got brought into this, the FBI agent who called her was asking for her help. He only gave her when he brought it to her. He only gave her descriptions of the first five attacks, the middle five attacks and the last five attacks, just to keep it kind of limited, because at that point, well, no, no, not keep it interesting, but he had to give her a sample of the first five, the middle five and the last five, because at that point they were worried about his escalation, because he was beginning he was tending to be more violent and he was worried.
Kellye:They were worried they weren't going to catch him before he had graduated to murder, right. So, but in the vein of keeping things in a measurable like, because they needed it quickly, so they couldn't give her all of the cases, so they gave her a sample of the first, middle and the last five, and that was just to show the progression of the violence and trigger warning for anybody. We're about to discuss sexual assault, including rape, and if that's triggering my only way to skip ahead a good bit, because that's just what we're about to get into I actually you probably shouldn't listen to this episode at all in general, and I probably should put that at the very beginning, but I'm saying it again now. So here we go.
Kellye:The first five assaults were described as run-of-the-mill. They were surprise attacks. A single woman alone in her home. He promised them that they wouldn't get hurt and then he would vaginally rape them. The middle five he starts using handcuffs and other bindings and he becomes more aggressive, forcing anal and oral penetration, sometimes in front of family members, and sometimes more than one woman during the same attack. So the last five and imagining it getting worse from here showed a much higher level of aggression. For example, simonus well, they didn't know him at the time, but he had beaten a woman in the chest so severely that she ended up having a mast sectomy due to the trauma he caused to her breast by beating on her. So just imagine because you have to think about that in a way like he severely, he so severely maimed her breast that they had to be removed. Yeah, that's ridiculous. Yeah so rapes and robberies.
Kellye:Simonus would later claim that it was almost always firstly a robbery or slash burglary that he picked his targets, mostly based on affluence and how much he thought he could get from them. Second was on the looks of the woman, since a pretty wife gets pretty things so her husband can keep her happy. That's literally what he said. If they were a pretty wife, then that's how they got their husband to get them pretty things. Yeah, so first assault occurrence was in November of 78, and they ended with his arrest on November of 81.
Kellye:Like I said, I thought it was pretty interesting that he kept his timeline like matching in the months. I don't know if he did it on purpose I highly doubt it but it was still pretty, pretty interesting. Now a couple of the things that made him harder to pin down we're going to get into now. He would constantly change his clothing, what he stole when he burglarized the from the victims, and then he would go from Florida to Georgia, north Carolina, ohio, michigan, wisconsin, mississippi, louisiana, texas, oklahoma and California, just to keep police off his trail. He says quote yes, I've been everywhere, man.
Kyler :Oh wait, wrong quote.
Kellye:Quote yes, I put about 80,000 miles on it in 10 months. Unquote. Speaking about his bright red 81 Pontiac Trans Am that eventually became his downfall. So when, when they asked him in this interview that I referenced earlier at the Angola Penitentiary, he was asked how much money in all that he had made in the thefts, he stated that if he was fencing it, it was close to a quarter of a million, and then in retail it was probably closer to three or four. And this was in the 80s and over a three year period. Jesus, I did not do the trans, the conversion. So now solid quote it got to be a cat and mouse game with the police. I knew they were after me by 1980. From there I figured that if I kept going I could just not create a definitive pattern. I had to stagger my attacks and my robberies in different states, always change my clothing, have new stuff that after every job, throw the old stuff away, never kept any evidence". Now, that just shows you the Level of forethought and actual consideration.
Kellye:Absolutely, like he was absolutely consciously aware that, especially at the point that he knew that they were onto him, that he put extra effort into trying to make sure that he wasn't going to get caught.
Kyler :It's completely different from a lot of these, a lot of these type of people, or I would more say, this genre of Appender. Yes, yeah.
Kellye:Well, especially like rapist types, you know like burglary rapists.
Kyler :They're typically more caught up in what they're doing and the fact that they're doing it than they are in what they're doing next and how they're going to get away with it. Right, absolutely agree.
Kellye:Simonus claimed that his you know initial motivator was always the burglary or the robbery or the theft, which is not usually in the cases of rape and sexual assault. That's for the sexual thrill of it, for the pleasure of that. So Miss Anne actually doesn't entirely think that he's being truthful when he says that it was the burglary was the primary cause. But we'll get into that. So after he got back from the army, like I said, he was working at a hospital as a technician, so cardiac technician, so we would do like the EKGs and stuff like that. He admitted he used that position to his advantage in planning his attacks. No, no, no, listen to this Saying quote I'd go down and have a copy made and return the original and copy down their addresses and later on use that to get into their house. Wow, so not even just like taking advantage of them in a medical setting, like he was taking full advantage of the fact that he had privileged information from patients to be able. It's your man.
Kyler :I'm telling you, all I'm thinking was like taking advantage of anesthesiology.
Kellye:Right, right, but it's a scary thought to think that you know people like that could do the same thing, like it's terrifying because you trust people in hospitals and settings and places like that to keep your information privileged because it's, you know, supposed to be law. So now he is privileged. He is privileged when I mentioned the red trans Anne and states in her book that part of their behavioral profile that got released to all of the law enforcement officers involved as part of the Bolo, part of that profile actually included a quote flashy car. And it was because of that information that an officer noticed and noted this bright red trans Anne and was able to later connect that sighting to a nearby attack on a house of women who said the car had been stolen. And when that same officer returned to where he had seen the car, the trans Anne, the victims of that attack, their car was now parked in the place where that red trans Anne had been. Yes, so when he noticed that, he immediately got out and he recovered some gloves that were mentioned that were, he found those at the scene and he probably wouldn't have, but the victims at the house where they had been attacked mentioned specifically these type of gloves. And so as soon as he saw those he knew there were evidence, bagged them, tagged them and then the investigators issued another Bolo specifically for the bright red trans Anne. And when they got a report of the correct one with they, you know, because I'm sure there was more than one in the area at the time, because this was like Charles, so I mean down in that area there had to have been at least more than one in the 80s, maybe not many, but still so they called in the play the plate on.
Kellye:This specific one came back to John Barry Simonus. So he was later arrested that same day in late. Charles he was. It was about a week before Thanksgiving and he was coming out of a convenience store and he was odd combination. He was carrying a loaf of bread and two packs of cigarettes, so they were only out of those two things. Apparently he was. He said that although he had no chance of ever legally walking free of Angola, he was glad in a way to have been stopped when he was, because quote, rape, he said, was beginning to bore him. And that was at about about the time that Lieutenant Milan arrested him outside the Lake Charles convenience store and that his fantasies at that point were increasing to. He was starting to fantasize more about murder and not so much the thrill of the rape and assault so, so to speak, chasing the dragon.
Kellye:Yeah, absolutely. And Now Ann says that in all of these attacks, blanket, the main appeal for Simonus was the control and, like I said at the beginning, he loved to talk. I mean I can't tell you he would literally go to, he would agree to any interview that anybody wanted. He would sit and talk for hours and hours and hours and hours. He didn't mind being recorded and he would talk to multiple agencies over the next few months. So after his arrest, 30 year old John B Simonus gave full confessions to 81 attacks in 12 states, pled guilty at four different trials and and Include that includes the December 4th trial in 1981 in LaSalle, parish, and I'm actually made a note in my note about the episode was episode 8, I thought it was 7 but I was wrong. So and he pled guilty to two counts of armed robbery of a Gina Louisiana home, one kind of burglary and one unauthorized use of a vehicle, and he oh yeah, I mean oh baby unauthorized use of a vehicle.
Kellye:For that case alone he was sentenced to 231 years in prison. Armed robbery can get you a serious, serious amount. I'm pretty sure it's 160 if well, if they charged him, the maximum penalty I think it's 80 years. So if you get both of those max penalty it's 160, and then the Burglary and unauthorized use of a vehicle. So it depends on how much you burgle. So some good came from these many, many confessions. Actually and I hate to give anybody, especially someone as vile as this man, because the amount of trauma is immeasurable. You can't ever Give these women back what they lost in his many, many attacks. But they actually helped these confessions cuz he, like I said, he made many, many, many, many of them.
Kyler :He confessed to crimes, like I said, in Eight, nine different states always worry about the ones that confessed to XYZ amount of fucking of no, I agree with that too, yeah and remember the one then I think it was Jacksonville where they confessed to crimes all across the Pretty sure, all across the country. Well, it's always a concern just a few states, but some of them were. They had been watching a manhunt on television recently.
Kellye:And and had been giving information from that to try and see, and that's one of the things that I know a lot of officers Will do. They will make a point to find. That's why you know, in some almost all investigations ever, they are going to keep something specific about the crime to themselves. That does not ever leave the privilege of Just the people who were there at the scene that will ever know, because they want to be able to weed out those people. They want to be able to say well, that also been in the newspaper, give me something that hasn't.
Kellye:And Timonus, in his case, he had all the specifics and, again, he was a very intelligent man. So, anyway, the good, the only good that anybody can get out of this, though, came from Him actually helping in freeing other wrongfully accused and imprisoned men. So there was one gentleman. His name was Clarence Williams, he was 42 years old, he was in Texas, he was imprisoned in Texas, and he was freed after Simone's confessed to an attack that happened in 1979, april 30th. It was a sexual attack on a 40 year old bridge city woman and her teenage son and daughter that Williams had been found guilty of and was serving a 50 year prison sentence, and, again, this man, already in jail, already found guilty by a jury, 50 year prison sentence.
Kellye:Simone's confessed, his confession was accepted and the man was released from prison another one in Ohio, bradley Cox. His judge Demanded nothing less than a videotape confession before he would use Simone's confession as evidence to grant Cox on your trial. Cox had been sentenced to 56 to 200 years for the three rapes he had been found guilty of. But Simonus came through and he did repeat his confession on videotape, which was allowed and Eventually was the cause for Cox's eventual release. I honest I think, if I remember correctly, in that case, once they got the videotape confession, the judge ordered a retrial and then the DA refused to Try to try him again. So when all was said and done, the UPI articles that I'll mention in the show notes from December 23rd 1981 reported that John B Simone's was sentenced to 18 life terms plus 2,406 years. But his recollection at his interview with Hazel wood and landing was a little bit different. He said, quote I'm not sure I remember them all, I have about 21 life sentences plus an additional 2,386 and a half years to go.
Kellye:Majority of rapists got that amount of time right, and In the same article from December 23rd, his mother claimed that he is confessing to things he didn't do to save his family the pain of a new trial. That quote he is caring and likes children. They should remember something like that, like that, something like that could happen to their family, honey, mama, it did. He traumatized at least 80 different families and even if it was, even if they were in the same family, that's almost worse. Yes, they, yes, everybody was a child once. Everybody has a family, everybody has a father and a mother, and they were all a child at one point. But after a certain age, mama, you gotta understand, you gotta let it go. This is this is irredeemable. You can't come back from this.
Kellye:Okay, and his mom actually had to end up quitting her job and change her phone number because of the harassing and crank calls according to that article. And that's pretty much all that I have. This case is absolutely wild. I've never heard of anybody having 18 live sentences plus another 2,500 years. And, like you were saying earlier, I do know that some men on like death row and things like that will throw out random confessions trying to get other people out of trouble or whatnot, but you know the police, on this side of things at least. I don't know how they were back in 1980, but it sounds like they were trying to get better and you know there are some people in some cases it's always refreshing?
Kellye:Well, absolutely. But you know, he even admitted many times over in his interview. I've got the link for that in the show notes. His interview was wild. You can feel his cockiness dripping off the page, because I mean like every single thing that he says. He says it like he's talking to people who have barely begun to speak English, like he's speaking in a very superior, very yeah he's speaking to people that he's just eluded for 3 years.
Kyler :No, no, yeah, I get that too.
Kellye:But I just thought it was the funniest thing, because you know it always cracks me up when it's the smallest little detail of he's gonna drive a flashy car. That was the detail that was included in this behavior report. Not what kind, not what color, not anything, nothing specific, but this guy's gonna drive a flashy car. That was it. And that got this cops radar up enough to be like, oh, that's a nice red Trans Am. And then, when there was an attack very close by, I mean like just major props to this guy, yeah, I was about to say that's damn good police work.
Kellye:Right, and that's the kind of people you want to have.
Kyler :Follow your hunches and actually pay attention to reports and follow up.
Kellye:Dig in and just pay attention.
Kyler :Yeah, for sure, hell, yeah, go you.
Kellye:So I mean, this case was just absolutely wild, though, like I said, I paid for it. That's funny because the book by Ann Burgess she wrote a killer by design and John B Simone says just one chapter of that she talks about all the other serial killers that they did the interviews with. Like I said, she helped create that entire unit with the studies and things that she did and, you know, furthering that investigative tool that they used to create. Like her focus was mainly on, like I said, the sexual assaults and the rapes and things like that. That was her main focus and she's just a wonderful advocate and leader of women's rights and the ability to heal after such a traumatic event. So there is no amount of thanks that we can do for women warriors like that.
Kellye:So, as of right now, john Barry Simonus, the ski mask rapist, is 72 years old. He maintains his permanent address and forever home at the Angola State Penitentiary and I'm sure I think I am. So I'm sure that if anybody wanted to have a chat with him, I'm sure he'd still be willing to talk to you.
Kyler :I'm not sure that he remember quite as much.
Kellye:I don't know he was already getting this body.
Kyler :I don't know Now I can, because I've known quite a few that were almost like that, but more along the lines of they could tell you everything that happened verbatim for the first 45 years of their life and then the last 30 years of it.
Kellye:Yeah, yeah, well, that's the degenerative stuff. But, yeah, check the source material. If you want to go see, you can read through his interview. I've got a link for that on there. I've also got links, different articles and also again, I've put the title and the spelling of the author's name and everything down there at the bottom. So if you guys want to check that book out, it was a great read, not just for this case but for others as well.
Kellye:But this was the only one for Louisiana that had any kind of relative connection and, like I said, he actually got caught in Louisiana. He lived here and again, crazy bananas. I had no idea. And when, when it was referred to my mom, she actually came home and told me he was a ski mask rapist, turn killer. But he never killed anybody. He never. He never got to that point. But if he had made it any further it wouldn't. It wouldn't have been one or two, if that many, before he was actually to the point of actual murder. Now, thank you so so much, ms Lenora, for recommending this one for us and we appreciate you listening guys, we appreciate you coming back and hanging out with us every other week or so. I apologize.
Kyler :I don't know if it's noticeable or I'm assuming it is or how noticeable it is. I've been stuffed up and stopped up for the past day and a half, two days. Our whole house has, though, and I feel like my entire face is one whole cotton ball, yeah, or mucus ball, our whole house.
Kellye:But I mean we have the weather that goes from like 40 freaking degrees all the way up to 80 degrees in the same like 18 hour period and then back and forth Like it's just nobody's face can deal with that Okay. If you turn having to turn on your heater in the air conditioner in the same 12 hour time span is ridiculous. I'm just saying You're not wrong.
Kellye:It's ridiculous If I have to check and make sure that it's on the heater before I go to bed because it's on the air conditioner when we're getting ready for bed. It's a little bit ridiculous. I'm just saying. I'm just saying Thank you, guys, so much for listening. Case suggestions, anything like that. Oh, real quick. If you didn't listen to the bonus episode and you don't plan to, we have our. All of our episodes are now directly streamed to YouTube.
Kellye:I have a TikTok account I haven't what Twitter slash ex account. I also post things to my uh TikTok often, regularly. I try to post at least twice a week on there, especially if I'm coming out with an episode or if something interesting comes across my phone. Um, there have been a lot of different things popping up around all around our area, a lot of crazy stuff, uh, that I'm really looking forward to being able to cover on here. Um, and then I think I think that's it. I think that's everything.
Kellye:But you check those out. You can always leave a case suggestion or, uh, anything like that in any of those comments sections on the YouTube, on the TikTok, on the ex. You can do any of the private messaging to any of them and you also can get a contact with us by our email, which is inlawpodcastgmailcom. You have any questions? Comments, concerns please, please, please. If you can take a minute to give us a rating and a review on Apple podcast, spotify or wherever, if you're allowed, I really appreciate it. But it it just it all right, guys, I'll have a wonderful week and let us know what you think on any of those platforms. I've got them in the show notes as well, and I look forward to seeing you on the next bonus episode or not, the next full episode here in two weeks. Take care out there. See y'all next time. Bye.
